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Dinakar

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Yes, 'to the market' meant to THIS market. The word 'shopping' never was in vogue. I remember an article in DH in 1986 written to coincide its centenary year [hope my memory is right] so that means now it is close to 120 years. The cobwebs in the tiled portions must be as old as that!! Our authorities seem to put the tag of 'heritage' only when something collapses. Till then it escapes their attention.  Without going there, they must learn how in Germany they have maintained structures and buildings as old as 400 years and how it is protected. Even in Korea. They use the word 'treasure'!


 In the 70s and even early 80s when I used to go any of the shops outside the Market to buy some things, I used to park my Robin Hood bicycle in front of that shop [space was there to push it along on the pavement!] to finish the purchase. Roads have eaten footpaths and pavements and there was no need of even a barricade then.


 There was that Shetty's shop that sold marbles and tops [now I think his grandson runs a stationery shop here at the Bakery entrance on Sayyaji Rao Road]. Of course, Bata had dominated footwear market and there was [never] no competetion from either Carona or Flex.


If you want "Ili Bone" [mouse trap] you will get here in the Market. If you want kerosene pump, you will get. chilli powder - you will get, fresh flowers, you will get, toys- you will get, provisions, yes.  artificial hair [ladies] you will find, brooms, and what not. It's such a beautiful place. But the structure is allowed to dilapidate to this extent is a shame. Old lime-mortar structures can never be repaired with cement. The 'kappi' on balconies become leaky [notice some plants growing near cornices even now]. The best thing is to protect the entry point as heritage and renovate most of the weaker parts.


 Endorse I do to Madhukar's memories! I was there too on grandfather's other side !!  



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Suresh Yerapathi

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Does anyone know what is the final verdict with respect to Devaraja Market? We all have been blogging over the past one month or so ..


But what is the final verdict? Restore or Demolish? The opinions among the bloggers is kinda tied.. two or three persons want it to be demolished and rebuilt, three or four persons want it to be restored.. and two to three person haven't voice their choice..


So where do we stand?



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Capt. Anup Murthy

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Today Star of Mysore Jan 5th 2006 has two letters writing for the demolition of Devaraja market. it is good to get some views on both sides to an argument. Both letters on the front page!


The first letter says that the market is not a heritage building but an old building and one that is not good looking vis a vis attara Kacheri in Bangalore etc etc. I looked up various dictionaries and the thesaurus. heritage is something "passed on from one generation to the next". So, the market is indeed a heritage. If the author of that letter goes on to define what a heritage building actually means. I could not find that definition anywhere. I wonder if the writer is just blowing hot air, writing on behalf of some lobby or is a renowned english professor who is an authority on exposition of "real meanings" not found in dictionaries or he may be a chap with vivid imagination! According to his definition then, most buildings in Mysore are just old buildings, no architectural gems and therefore Mysore is not really a heritage city, its just a city with old buildings! Oh boy!


Lastly he takes a dig at some of the people who have been voicing their opinion on the market asking why they had woken up suddenyl and where they were for so many years when the building was deteorating. At least some people decided to wake up, better late than never. Some of then, like your truly have been abroad for the better patr of the last 18 years. Where was this writer and what was he doing for so many years allwoing the building to deteorate?


Another letter just below this gem is from a Kuwait Mysorean? The market is dirty, filty, totally unhygenic (these are the words used in his letter). So, he suggests demolition! WOW! Not to clean up the place and restore it, make it pristine etc. Hey, if you dirty your house would you clean it or demolish it? Get real. Thanks SOM for putting these two letters on the front page!



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Capt. Anup Murthy

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A note to Mr. Yerapathi's note: Among bloggers here, I think restoration and repair lobby (if i may loosely call that) is slightly ahead. But, among the vast numbers of people (who are varied in their age and origin and when I say vast numbers of people, I really mean vast numbers of educated and aware people) I have spoken to and who have called me as a result of my letters, I can say that there's no support for demolition.


Mr. Ravindra Gundu Rao's letter in SOM 4th Jan 2006 "Conservation Architect clarifies" mentions the cost of restoration and clearly mentions the cost of re-building being a costlier option. Re-building may line some politicians pockets but is that what we want?



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Madhukar

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"Devaraja Market - Demolition and Rebuild case lost to 11 year old's Statement"

This is what a newspaper headline would probably read if some reporter had spoken to my 11 year old niece -Disha Dinakar (the daughter of Dinakar who is also on this panel). I spoke to her on Wednesday after Dinakar posted his view informing her of the fight for Devaraja Market. She wanted to know what it was all about. When informed of the option of demolition and reconstruction of the 110 year old building, her reaction summed it all up.

"The new building will not last that long"

Any second opinion?

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Suresh Yerapathi

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Rightly said Capt. Anup about the number of people not providing a affirmative decision. Whatever the decision the corporation takes.. we still have to think about how they are going about it .. personally speaking I am not for demolition nor i am against restoration, whatever might be the case, I am more concern about how the corporation is going to provide the makeshift arrangement and what is going on in their minds.. That is of more concern to me.. if you have seen the market on MG Road then anyone would understand what I am talking about.. Where ever they are planning to re-allocate the present vendors.. they are bound to create a mess!! and once the new devaraja market or the restored market is up for occupation.. would the vendors leave the temporary place alloted neat and clean or would the vendors still continue to sell would be my concern!!


Mr. Ravi Gundu Rao has mentioned the costs respectively.. but wanted to know if the costs is inclusive of re-allocation costs or just the restoration or demolition...


I would look at the whole situation as a utilitarian point of view and not in terms of heritage or old building!! If we all were taking about heritage point of view.. then we have actually lost so many heritage building in and around mysore city.. court complex (new annex coming up around the building), Jaganmohan Palace (under shambles), Landsowne buidling (no maintenance) to name a few.. if we all were so serious about heritage then we should have stopped or made sure these buildings were maintained .. we missed out on that.. didn't we?


 



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Madhukar

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Looks like all things Mysore - topics and issues quickly take a back seat. Is this the end of all the debate on how much we want to preserve Devaraja Market?
When I joined this forum for the first time, I noticed a lot of intensity in the persons involved. Does it take so little time before topics like "Speed Bump---" overtake these type of issues?
As I have made clear in my first reply to his issue, I am for restoration of the Devaraja Market complex. But unfortunately, I am residing out of Mysore. I INTEND TO RETURN TO MYSORE. I had hoped the enthusiasm I saw in the words of the the persons involved in the campaign would restore the glory of The Market building. But seeing the sudden loss of words and of course action has me dissapointed.
WILL I LOSE MY DEVARAJA MARKET AS I LIKED IT?
Only you can tell.

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